Hello everyone,
Please give me a moment of your time.
A FAQ is being created describing the problems many people are
going through with GM paints and finishes on certain year cars.
This FAQ will attempt to answer many questions, and will hopefully
spur discussion of this topic to the point that we may all get to the
bottom of this problem.
The FAQ will include the following:
A Description of the problem
Why this problem is occuring
What we can do about it
Who has cars with this problem (A list of cars and owners emails)
TSB’s describing the problem
GM’s ‘general’ response to many owners (Can you guess what it is?
Hint: FO)
And more. I will be working on this FAQ for the next week or so and I
hope to have it out by the 15th of August.
It will be worth reading, I promise. And if anyone from GM Corporate
or any of it’s many subdivisions is reading this, I want you to know
that the car-buying public has a right to know about these issues. If
you would like to discuss the reasoning behind this FAQ or any other
topics with me, feel free to email me at dilgr…@ix.netcom.com.
I am asking that if anyone has any information regarding this problem
and you have not already emailed me (dilgr…@ix.netcom.com) with the
information please do so. I am doing this for all of us, and your
contributions are neccessary and valued.
Now, I know some of you in the foreign car groups are saying, "Who
cares, take your GM and stuff it!" and that’s fine, but this affects
you also because Nissans and Honda’s also have this peeling paint
problem. I want to include a section on foreign cars as well. What I
would like from any foreign car owner is a description of the problem,
the color of the car, the year, and the first 3 digits of the vin
number of the vehicle. I want to see where the car is made, perhaps
the paint is tainted at the source.
Thank you all for your time. Your contributions and responses will be
most appreciated.
-Pete-
(dilgr…@ix.netcom.com)
——————————————————–
Did you know that GM cars have paint problems? Yup! It’s
true! Email dilgr…@ix.netcom.com for more Info!
cbl…@osf1.gmu.edu (Charlene M Blake) wrote:
> 1984 Chevrolet Celebrity has had bad paint from day one. The
>roof lost all its paint after just 2 years or so.
> Lately, it seems the Chyrslers are having more of this problem
>than GM, however.
>–
>Charlene Blake
>Springfield, VA
>email: cbl…@osf1.gmu.edu
>*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
All makers are having more problems. The enviro-friendly paint
may be nice for old mother earth, but it has taken a toll on the
durability of our auto paint.
Regards,
Mike Demski – 75324.3…@compuserve.com
Robert Dillmeier (dilgr…@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: A FAQ is being created describing the problems many people are
: going through with GM paints and finishes on certain year cars.
: This FAQ will attempt to answer many questions, and will hopefully
: spur discussion of this topic to the point that we may all get to the
: bottom of this problem.
1984 Chevrolet Celebrity has had bad paint from day one. The
roof lost all its paint after just 2 years or so.
Lately, it seems the Chyrslers are having more of this problem
than GM, however.
–
Charlene Blake
Springfield, VA
email: cbl…@osf1.gmu.edu
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
On 3 Aug 1996 04:42:34 GMT, Mike Demski <75324.3…@compuserve.com>
wrote:
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>cbl…@osf1.gmu.edu (Charlene M Blake) wrote:
>> 1984 Chevrolet Celebrity has had bad paint from day one. The
>>roof lost all its paint after just 2 years or so.
>> Lately, it seems the Chyrslers are having more of this problem
>>than GM, however.
>>–
>>Charlene Blake
>>Springfield, VA
>>email: cbl…@osf1.gmu.edu
>>*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
>All makers are having more problems. The enviro-friendly paint
>may be nice for old mother earth, but it has taken a toll on the
>durability of our auto paint.
>Regards,
> Mike Demski – 75324.3…@compuserve.com
I have real doubts about that statement. First, I have owned Japanese
cars – including ones made in the USA and they didn’t lose any paint.
Secondly, automotive paint chemistry has little in common with using
low voc Minwax. auto paints are electrically ‘plated’ on cars
immersed in a vat. When the current is cut all the excess paint falls
off.
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I doubt that environmental regulations are responsible for the bad paint–
there were dozens of U.S. made cars in the late 80s that were well known
for garbage paint jobs, while US made Japanese cars were fine. In the
years since, even with tighter voc regs, paint has improved dramatically.
My ’93 Ranger still looks as new, with little help from me, while our ’89
F150 lost much of its paint within a year.
–
________________________________________________________________________
Derek R. Larson Indiana University Dept. of History
"Nothing interesting occurred today…"
-Meriwether Lewis at Ft. Clatsop, Oregon, Jan.4th, 1806
> >> 1984 Chevrolet Celebrity has had bad paint from day one. The
> >>roof lost all its paint after just 2 years or so.
> >> Lately, it seems the Chyrslers are having more of this problem
> >>than GM, however.
> >All makers are having more problems. The enviro-friendly paint
> >may be nice for old mother earth, but it has taken a toll on the
> >durability of our auto paint.
> I have real doubts about that statement. First, I have owned Japanese
> cars – including ones made in the USA and they didn’t lose any paint.
> Secondly, automotive paint chemistry has little in common with using
> low voc Minwax. auto paints are electrically ‘plated’ on cars
> immersed in a vat. When the current is cut all the excess paint falls
> off.
Actually, I think he is right. I read a book a couple years ago that
said that too, something to do with a switch from solvent-based paints
to a water-borne paint process (or something like that – I really don’t
know what I’m talking about but those terms were floating around in my
head and I *THINK* that’s what that book said). Anyhow, the corrosion
preventive zinc coating is what is electrically plated onto the car.
Primers might also be electroplated too as you described, but I don’t
think so. I have seen current assembly lines in progress and am almost
certain that (for American cars) the priming and painting process are
still conventional spray. I don’t know how the Japanese do it though.
Too bad this conversation didn’t come up two or three years ago. I
really WOULD have known what I was talking about back then when I was
researching paint methods and stuff like HVLP paint systems and all that
stuff I don’t remember about anymore.
–
Shawn Lin Frogs… yum yum yum! Tastes great with cheeze!
sli…@mail.orion.org – srl9…@nic.smsu.edu – l…@science.smsu.edu
My Webpage – http://science.smsu.edu/~lin
Hello all,
I have been flooded with email asking for any information about peeling
paint on cars. I was planning to release the FAQ on August 15th, but
enough of you have asked me for it sooner… so, you can now get it at
http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.htm
Please remember to email me with any comments, corrections or
suggestions. This is YOUR faq, as it is a compilation of discussions on
the net, and some speculations on what is causing the problems.
Please remember that I have compiled this information from the
newsgroups, books, newspaper articles, and discussions with rec.*
newsgroups. If anyone can definitely verify or dispute any of the
information first hand, tell me, and we’ll discuss it.
Enjoy it. And thank you to all that contributed to the FAQ. There were
many of you who helped me with this.
dilgr…@ix.netcom.com(Robert Dillmeier ) wrote:
>http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.htm
That should be
http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.html
dave
Jerry LaVeck wrote:
auto paints are electrically ‘plated’ on cars
> immersed in a vat. When the current is cut all the excess paint falls
> off.
> > All that is electroplated to the car is the anticorrosion and or primer.
The room that it would take to have a vat for each color would be HUGE! Not
to mention the fact that when a color change would happen, it would take a
while to complete it. You would have to empty the vat and then clean it to
remove, every last drop of the old color. Also you would have to have covers
for them during the windows of no production, plus a very expencive clean
room enviorment for each vat.
This I do know since I have worked for GM for the last 11yrs.
Derek R. Larson <drlar…@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in article
<4tvus2$…@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>…
> I doubt that environmental regulations are responsible for the bad
paint–
> there were dozens of U.S. made cars in the late 80s that were well known
> for garbage paint jobs, while US made Japanese cars were fine. In the
> years since, even with tighter voc regs, paint has improved dramatically.
> My ’93 Ranger still looks as new, with little help from me, while our ’89
> F150 lost much of its paint within a year.
I don’t know who supplied the paint to the American factories of the
Japanese makes, but the American American paint came mostly from PPG. It
was rubbish regardless who applied it.
Jerry LaVeck (jlav…@cpcug.org) wrote:
: >All makers are having more problems. The enviro-friendly paint
: >may be nice for old mother earth, but it has taken a toll on the
: >durability of our auto paint.
: >
: I have real doubts about that statement. First, I have owned Japanese
: cars – including ones made in the USA and they didn’t lose any paint.
: Secondly, automotive paint chemistry has little in common with using
: low voc Minwax. auto paints are electrically ‘plated’ on cars
: immersed in a vat. When the current is cut all the excess paint falls
: off.
Which explains why tires, seats, windshields and the such remain
unpainted. They can not conduct electricity
Spiros (it’s still *august*, relax
—
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46902 (317) 451-0815 (8-322)
Corporate Software Technology Email: c2…@eng.delcoelect.com
Delco Electronics Corporation URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/
Jerry LaVeck wrote:
> >All makers are having more problems. The enviro-friendly paint
> >may be nice for old mother earth, but it has taken a toll on the
> >durability of our auto paint.
> >Regards,
> > Mike Demski – 75324.3…@compuserve.com
> I have real doubts about that statement. First, I have owned Japanese
> cars – including ones made in the USA and they didn’t lose any paint.
Well obviously you didn’t have the pleasure of owning a 90 Mazda
Protege.
In less than a year I had blisters and chips all over the hood and roof.
Of course the factory rep tried to tell me that "acid rain" was the
cause
(which, of course, was not under the warrenty). Luck for me that I
overheard
the service manager complaining about all the "repaints" that he had
done in the
last month. Unlucky for him because he had to add my car to the list.
(covered under warrenty of course.)
mike
84 Chevy Caprice Classic – very bad paint – peeled, faded.
90 Mazda Protege – lousy paint, bad transmission, very noisy.
90 Plymouth Sundance – worst car ever made, bad everything, paint peeled
everywhere
94 Acura Integra GS-R – hood paint chips thanks to excessively sloped
front end
95 Toyota Camry – so far so good!
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mike imbalzano <imbal…@a.chem.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Jerry LaVeck wrote:
>> >All makers are having more problems. The enviro-friendly paint
>> >may be nice for old mother earth, but it has taken a toll on the
>> >durability of our auto paint.
>> >Regards,
>> > Mike Demski – 75324.3…@compuserve.com
>> I have real doubts about that statement. First, I have owned Japanese
>> cars – including ones made in the USA and they didn’t lose any paint.
>Well obviously you didn’t have the pleasure of owning a 90 Mazda
>Protege.
>In less than a year I had blisters and chips all over the hood and roof.
>Of course the factory rep tried to tell me that "acid rain" was the
>cause
>(which, of course, was not under the warrenty). Luck for me that I
>overheard
>the service manager complaining about all the "repaints" that he had
>done in the
>last month. Unlucky for him because he had to add my car to the list.
>(covered under warrenty of course.)
>mike
>84 Chevy Caprice Classic – very bad paint – peeled, faded.
>90 Mazda Protege – lousy paint, bad transmission, very noisy.
>90 Plymouth Sundance – worst car ever made, bad everything, paint peeled
>everywhere
>94 Acura Integra GS-R – hood paint chips thanks to excessively sloped
>front end
>95 Toyota Camry – so far so good!
There is a 40 page report issued by the Consumer Protection Board in
1994. The gist of it is that the Car Industry tried to blame their
shitty paint jobs on the Acid Rain. The CPB found no evidence that the
Acid Rain coverup story was true…
Nice Try GM, (and others)….
-Pete
——————————————————–
Did you know that GM cars have paint problems? Yup! It’s
true! Get the ‘GM BAD PAINT FAQ’! Point your browser to:
http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.html
Thanks for compiling this. I worked in an auto paint formulation lab
several Summers while in college 10 years ago, and would like to make
a comment. The paints used on some newer cars aren’t water-based, but
use resins and pigments similar to the "old" kind of paint. The paint
is suspended in water for application, allowing for easy cleanup and
allows omission of some organic solvents. None of the water *should*
remain after drying and heat-curing. Also, there is no reason that
these paints should break down in sunlight any more than the old
paints (remember, the resins and pigments are very similar). I know
the previously-used solvents well from the rashes they caused on my
body despite protective clothing. So, it isn’t just "about the
environment," but also about worker safety and saving the cost of
ventilation and the disposal of paint waste.
My guess is that the peeling is caused by poor quality control in the
application and curing process, not the nature of the paint, but who
knows?
-Joe
In article <4u06fe$…@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> dilgr…@ix.netcom.com(Robert Dillmeier ) writes:
Hello all,
I have been flooded with email asking for any information about peeling
paint on cars. I was planning to release the FAQ on August 15th, but
enough of you have asked me for it sooner… so, you can now get it at
http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.htm
Please remember to email me with any comments, corrections or
suggestions. This is YOUR faq, as it is a compilation of discussions on
the net, and some speculations on what is causing the problems.
Please remember that I have compiled this information from the
newsgroups, books, newspaper articles, and discussions with rec.*
newsgroups. If anyone can definitely verify or dispute any of the
information first hand, tell me, and we’ll discuss it.
Enjoy it. And thank you to all that contributed to the FAQ. There were
many of you who helped me with this.
–
The paint on my ’83 VW quantum looks like shit. It’s flat black
rust-o-leum that I sprayed on myself with a wagner power painter. A
couple of times, the wagner deely-wheely ran out of paint and spooged big
blobs of paint onto the otherwise perfect orange peel surface. After I
was done, all these little yellow bugs flew into the paint and got stuck.
I tried to pick a few of them out – "fly, fly away!" I told them – but
that just fucked up the paint even more. Now I could also tell you how I
beat the absolute shit out of the driver’s door of my other car (’84
quantum – it’s paint sucks too – it’s "Fleetrite" Aluminum Wheel Gray
sprayed right out of the can) with a body hammer while trying to fix a
dent…
- Alexi
Robert Dillmeier (dilgr…@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Hello everyone,
: Please give me a moment of your time.
: A FAQ is being created describing the problems many people are
: going through with GM paints and finishes on certain year cars.
: This FAQ will attempt to answer many questions, and will hopefully
: spur discussion of this topic to the point that we may all get to the
: bottom of this problem.
: The FAQ will include the following:
: A Description of the problem
: Why this problem is occuring
: What we can do about it
: Who has cars with this problem (A list of cars and owners emails)
: TSB’s describing the problem
: GM’s ‘general’ response to many owners (Can you guess what it is?
: Hint: FO)
: And more. I will be working on this FAQ for the next week or so and I
: hope to have it out by the 15th of August.
: It will be worth reading, I promise. And if anyone from GM Corporate
: or any of it’s many subdivisions is reading this, I want you to know
: that the car-buying public has a right to know about these issues. If
: you would like to discuss the reasoning behind this FAQ or any other
: topics with me, feel free to email me at dilgr…@ix.netcom.com.
: I am asking that if anyone has any information regarding this problem
: and you have not already emailed me (dilgr…@ix.netcom.com) with the
: information please do so. I am doing this for all of us, and your
: contributions are neccessary and valued.
: Now, I know some of you in the foreign car groups are saying, "Who
: cares, take your GM and stuff it!" and that’s fine, but this affects
: you also because Nissans and Honda’s also have this peeling paint
: problem. I want to include a section on foreign cars as well. What I
: would like from any foreign car owner is a description of the problem,
: the color of the car, the year, and the first 3 digits of the vin
: number of the vehicle. I want to see where the car is made, perhaps
: the paint is tainted at the source.
: Thank you all for your time. Your contributions and responses will be
: most appreciated.
: -Pete-
: (dilgr…@ix.netcom.com)
: ——————————————————–
: Did you know that GM cars have paint problems? Yup! It’s
: true! Email dilgr…@ix.netcom.com for more Info!
–
- Mac
apot…@moose.uvm.edu (Alexandra S. Potter) wrote:
>The paint on my ’83 VW quantum looks like shit. It’s flat black
>rust-o-leum that I sprayed on myself with a wagner power painter. A
>couple of times, the wagner deely-wheely ran out of paint and spooged big
>blobs of paint onto the otherwise perfect orange peel surface. After I
>was done, all these little yellow bugs flew into the paint and got stuck.
>I tried to pick a few of them out – "fly, fly away!" I told them – but
>that just fucked up the paint even more. Now I could also tell you how I
>beat the absolute shit out of the driver’s door of my other car (’84
>quantum – it’s paint sucks too – it’s "Fleetrite" Aluminum Wheel Gray
>sprayed right out of the can) with a body hammer while trying to fix a
>dent…
>- Alexi
Alex,
The GM Bad Paint FAQ discusses orginal paint jobs that are falling
apart. Not jobs that were re-done. If your original job fell apart,
the FAQ may be of interest to you.
You can get it at http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.html.
Hope this helps.
-Pete
——————————————————–
Did you know that GM cars have paint problems? Yup! It’s
true! Get the ‘GM BAD PAINT FAQ’! Point your browser to:
http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.html
Charlene M Blake <cbl…@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote in article
<4tud6r$…@portal.gmu.edu>…
> Robert Dillmeier (dilgr…@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : A FAQ is being created describing the problems many people are
> : going through with GM paints and finishes on certain year cars.
> : This FAQ will attempt to answer many questions, and will hopefully
> : spur discussion of this topic to the point that we may all get to the
> : bottom of this problem.
> 1984 Chevrolet Celebrity has had bad paint from day one. The
> roof lost all its paint after just 2 years or so.
> Lately, it seems the Chyrslers are having more of this problem
> than GM, however.
Hmm, not sure where that came from…
Chrysler has had some problems with their grey/silver minivan paint
roughly during the ’88-91 same time period, true.
GM cars are incredibilty notorious for this, however. I don’t think there
is anyone surprised by this.
As far as the secret recall, that’s normal in the industry. They aren’t
going to recall something like this because it doesn’t effect the
driveability/safety of the car. Instead they may fix it, if you look like
a good customer.
I don’t like it either, but I got involved in a secret recall on the
steering rack on my ’83 Celebrity. Just missed the deadline, that is.
I’ve noticed other cars with paint problems. My buddies ’92 Corolla had
some horrid fading paint problems. I’ve seen other Corolla/Prizm’s with
the same color(red) with similar problems.
The Ford Tempo was notorious for bad paint. The Ford Taurus isn’t much
better.
Honda products from the 80′s seem to have problems with their paint
turning rust colored prematurely.
’78 Mustang II – Red – Horridly bad fading paint, but then the car was 10
years old when I bought it.
’83 Chevy Celebrity – White – Great paint, no rust or blemishes after 8
years.
’90 Grand Am – Maroon – Great paint job, no problems in 3 years
’95 Dodge Neon – Simply the best paint job I’ve ever had.
’94 Acura Integra – Chips easily, but that’s about it so far.
In article <01bb866a$595ad140$2b395…@sheldon.burnsville.mn.frontiercomm.net>,
shel…@burnsville.mn.frontiercomm.net says…
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>Charlene M Blake <cbl…@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote in article
><4tud6r$…@portal.gmu.edu>…
>> Robert Dillmeier (dilgr…@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>> : A FAQ is being created describing the problems many people are
>> : going through with GM paints and finishes on certain year cars.
>> : This FAQ will attempt to answer many questions, and will hopefully
>> : spur discussion of this topic to the point that we may all get to the
>> : bottom of this problem.
>> 1984 Chevrolet Celebrity has had bad paint from day one. The
>> roof lost all its paint after just 2 years or so.
>> Lately, it seems the Chyrslers are having more of this problem
>> than GM, however.
> Hmm, not sure where that came from…
> Chrysler has had some problems with their grey/silver minivan paint
>roughly during the ’88-91 same time period, true.
And some of the blue metalics, and the Black Cherry and …………
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> GM cars are incredibilty notorious for this, however. I don’t think there
>is anyone surprised by this.
> As far as the secret recall, that’s normal in the industry. They aren’t
>going to recall something like this because it doesn’t effect the
>driveability/safety of the car. Instead they may fix it, if you look like
>a good customer.
> I don’t like it either, but I got involved in a secret recall on the
>steering rack on my ’83 Celebrity. Just missed the deadline, that is.
> I’ve noticed other cars with paint problems. My buddies ’92 Corolla had
>some horrid fading paint problems. I’ve seen other Corolla/Prizm’s with
>the same color(red) with similar problems.
> The Ford Tempo was notorious for bad paint. The Ford Taurus isn’t much
>better.
> Honda products from the 80′s seem to have problems with their paint
>turning rust colored prematurely.
>’78 Mustang II – Red – Horridly bad fading paint, but then the car was 10
>years old when I bought it.
>’83 Chevy Celebrity – White – Great paint, no rust or blemishes after 8
>years.
>’90 Grand Am – Maroon – Great paint job, no problems in 3 years
>’95 Dodge Neon – Simply the best paint job I’ve ever had.
>’94 Acura Integra – Chips easily, but that’s about it so far.
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"E. Honda" <shel…@burnsville.mn.frontiercomm.net> wrote:
>Charlene M Blake <cbl…@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote in article
><4tud6r$…@portal.gmu.edu>…
>> Robert Dillmeier (dilgr…@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>> : A FAQ is being created describing the problems many people are
>> : going through with GM paints and finishes on certain year cars.
>> : This FAQ will attempt to answer many questions, and will hopefully
>> : spur discussion of this topic to the point that we may all get to the
>> : bottom of this problem.
>> 1984 Chevrolet Celebrity has had bad paint from day one. The
>> roof lost all its paint after just 2 years or so.
>> Lately, it seems the Chyrslers are having more of this problem
>> than GM, however.
> Hmm, not sure where that came from…
> Chrysler has had some problems with their grey/silver minivan paint
>roughly during the ’88-91 same time period, true.
> GM cars are incredibilty notorious for this, however. I don’t think there
>is anyone surprised by this.
> As far as the secret recall, that’s normal in the industry. They aren’t
>going to recall something like this because it doesn’t effect the
>driveability/safety of the car. Instead they may fix it, if you look like
>a good customer.
> I don’t like it either, but I got involved in a secret recall on the
>steering rack on my ’83 Celebrity. Just missed the deadline, that is.
> I’ve noticed other cars with paint problems. My buddies ’92 Corolla had
>some horrid fading paint problems. I’ve seen other Corolla/Prizm’s with
>the same color(red) with similar problems.
Where was the Corrolla made? Was it a ‘true’ import, or was it made in
the US? Did the vin start with a 1 or a J? (Do you even remember?)
> The Ford Tempo was notorious for bad paint. The Ford Taurus isn’t much
>better.
> Honda products from the 80′s seem to have problems with their paint
>turning rust colored prematurely.
>’78 Mustang II – Red – Horridly bad fading paint, but then the car was 10
>years old when I bought it.
>’83 Chevy Celebrity – White – Great paint, no rust or blemishes after 8
>years.
>’90 Grand Am – Maroon – Great paint job, no problems in 3 years
>’95 Dodge Neon – Simply the best paint job I’ve ever had.
>’94 Acura Integra – Chips easily, but that’s about it so far.
——————————————————–
Did you know that GM cars have paint problems? Yup! It’s
true! Get the ‘GM BAD PAINT FAQ’! Point your browser to:
http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.html
In article <4unqhd$…@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, dilgr…@ix.netcom.com
(Robert Dillmeier) wrote:
92 Saturn SC paint is in great shape….
same with the 87 GMC Jimmy 4×4
Robert
92 SC
–
> > Hmm, not sure where that came from…
> > Chrysler has had some problems with their grey/silver minivan paint
> >roughly during the ’88-91 same time period, true.
> And some of the blue metalics, and the Black Cherry and …………
And some bright Whites in 92…
I have a white 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager that had 1 paint
chip for a number of years. Over the past few months
the problem has spread across the hood and on the roof.
I have read the recommendations of people with similar
experiences and started following the steps: first the
dealer, then the regional office, then the Detroit customer
center. No results so far. I also called the NJ Lemon Law
division, unfortunately, in NJ the Lemon Law only applies
to cars less than 2 years old and with less than 18000 miles.
I have 80000 miles. The Lemon Law person recommended that I
take them to court and have an expert body shop person testify.
Before I get to that, I plan on filing a complaint with the NJ
Consumer Protection Office and with the FTC.
I see a lot of venting in this forum, I wish there was some
concrete action that we could take to get Chrysler to respond.
Any suggestions ?
Anthony Dalleggio
Anthony Dalleggio <adalleg…@lucent.com> wrote:
->I have a white 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager that had 1 paint
->chip for a number of years. Over the past few months
->the problem has spread across the hood and on the roof.
->I have read the recommendations of people with similar
->experiences and started following the steps: first the
->dealer, then the regional office, then the Detroit customer
->center. No results so far. I also called the NJ Lemon Law
->division, unfortunately, in NJ the Lemon Law only applies
->to cars less than 2 years old and with less than 18000 miles.
->I have 80000 miles. The Lemon Law person recommended that I
->take them to court and have an expert body shop person testify.
->Before I get to that, I plan on filing a complaint with the NJ
->Consumer Protection Office and with the FTC.
->I see a lot of venting in this forum, I wish there was some
->concrete action that we could take to get Chrysler to respond.
->Any suggestions ?
->Anthony Dalleggio
Yes. 1) get the FAQ at http://www.mindspring.com/~tracey/gmpaint.html
ALso, in Lousisana, a man sued chrysler for bad paint and won 12K…
(the value of his car) go to a law library and look for the case.
-Pete
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